*Dates:*
August 11-18, 2009
*Location:*
The Forum
3900 W. Manchester Blvd.
Inglewood, CA 90305
*FOR PATIENTS*
*How to Receive Treatment:*
All of our services are free and are provided by volunteers. The doctor is
free; the dentist is free; the eye doctor is free. Please arrive early,
bring a snack, and be prepared to wait. Your wait may be long; chairs will
be provided for your comfort.
*Services:*
DENTAL: Cleanings, fillings, extractions, and root canals. Everyone receives
a free dental exam. Pediatric dentistry is available.
VISION: Vision exam and free prescription glasses made onsite. (NOTE: May
not be able to make glasses for everyone.) Cataract surgery.
MEDICAL & WOMEN’S HEALTH: Mammograms and Pap smears; pediatric exams; adult
physicals & medical consults (including diabetes and hypertension);
chiropractors; acupuncture; blood lab work; chest X-rays; medication
assistance; and many other medical specialties available.
Services are provided by Remote Area Medical for the uninsured,
underinsured, unemployed, and those who cannot afford to pay. Services are
provided by volunteer doctors, nurses, dentists, dental hygeinists, dental
assistants, ophthalmologists, optometrists, opticians, and other trained
health professionals from the State of California.
On August 11th through August 18th,* **Remote Area Medical* will provide free
medical, dental, and vision care to thousands of needy individuals in the
Los Angeles area. The event is being planned and will be operated by* **Remote
Area Medical*, an all volunteer 501(c)(3) charity providing free care to
uninsured, underinsured and indigent individuals throughout the United
States.
Free care will be provided to anyone who needs it, without cost of any kind
to the patient, the taxpayer or the government. There is no income test, no
insurance requirement, no restriction of any kind. Medical and non-medical
personnel will all be volunteers; supplies and equipment will be donated or
provided by RAM.
The free clinic will be held at the Forum in Inglewood, and will treat an
estimated 1,200 people a day, possibly more. The Forum is being made
available through the generosity of the Faithful Central Bible Church,
owners of the facility.
We expect there to be 100 dental stations, 45 medical exam rooms, 25 eye exam
stations. Dentistry will include cleanings, extractions, fillings,
restorative procedures and root canals. Prescription eye glasses will be
ground and fitted on-site. Minor dermatological and other medical procedures
will be performed. Pediatricians and pediatric dentists will be present.
Follow-up care will be arranged for those who need it, with most referrals
to private sector practices and facilities. There will be a strong emphasis
on education, prevention and self-care. Mammography, pap smears, chest
x-rays, diabetes screening, blood pressure screening, and other services
will be provided. Healthcare foundations and agencies will be invited to
distribute patient education materials.
They are also accepting volunteers, medical and nonmedical, click on the website for more information and forward this to nonprofit groups and people who may need these services. Free root canals, that is unheard of, but so awesome that RAM is doing this!!
Wow that is really cool.
You always hear about these things happening in rural places like West Virginia or some third world country.
Its good to think globally but act LOCALLY.
Charity and caring starts here at home in our own backyards.
This service is greatly NEEDED and im sure the community is greatly appreciative.
Thanks for sharing Browne! 🙂
RAM did start off as providing medical services to remote areas and rural parts of the US (and still does,) but their mission is to go where medical care is needed and sadly with the many unemployed and underemployed people in Los Angeles, people need free medical care without all of the paperwork hassles. That’s just my theory. I don’t know why they are in LA, but thank the universe they are this seems very great.
While LA is not remote in regards to location it is remote in regards to access and separation between those who have and those who have not.
Browne
What a great thing. I hope as many people as possible without insurance take advantage of it. I watched Sicko, the documentary film ,the other day, and it’s just amazing how simple health care is in Canada, which is ran similar to how this event is. You just show up, and you’re treated. Michael Moore sees a cashier at a hospital in England and goes to see what it’s all about, considering the hospital is supposed to be free. Turns out, the cashier GIVES you money for a cab, in case you need it. That’s all it is. It’s so sad that we can easily do this in America, yet the medical industry has so many Americans brainwashed into thinking our system is better. This event at the Forum will be a success. Hopefully the media has the courage to show it, instead of pretending it never happened. Calling all bloggers…
I’m definitely going down to see what’s up in regards to this event. Usually before I put something up I try to check out the politics of an organization, but in this case I was like this needs to be put out there, because health care in this country is so horrible. I don’t care if Satan or Jesus Christ (both equally as horrifying in my opinion) is running this or the fact that that they brag that they get no gov’t subsidies, even with all of this, this is a great thing.
American healthcare is a joke. And the fix seems like it’s going to be a big joke too. Read this:
http://dwarfurl.com/e6a1d0
Browne
I see that thousands of people showed up to get medical checkups of one kind or another today at the RAM LA free medical scene. I think that this turnout is just more evidence that the for profit medical system in the USA that is run by HMO’s, Insurance Company’s, Pharmaceutical Company’s and propped up by the so called Astro-Turfers is a sham and a scam and a disgrace.
Medical care should be a right not a situation where if a person can’t afford insurance coverage they go without or lose their homes due to bankruptcy.
Maybe some entrepreneur can come up with large inexpensive medical care in a large setting, kind of like Costco or Toy’s R Us, or Battery’s R Us, or Brakes Only.
Very telling situation
I went. I’m going to write something up shortly. It was very crowded, but still I was a bit disheartened that more people didn’t spread this around.
Lots of professional unemployed people there, sad situation. Lots of students there, talked to some from ELAC who had been there since 4am, I went at 12, they still hadn’t gotten in yet.
This is going on until the 18th. Spread this around to people who may need it. As I said if you’ve recently become unemployed don’t be embarrassed lots of people like that were there.
No paperwork verification and there are lots of other agencies there also.
Browne
My husband Joey was 1st in line. He is in the papers. He was there for 2 root canals and has to have surgery next monday. It says everywhere they are doing root canals and after sitting and waiting since 3 pm on Monday till 5:30 am Tuesday. They never did the root canals. He got told they aren’t doing root canals. On the search again.
Local t.v. is covering it well. That’s good. They just said on KTLA that they need more volunteer doctors, though. Perhaps they should have asked for a few more dentists, too. But it looked like a lot of people without insurance were at least getting checkups. That’s good. They just came back from commercial and one of the organizers just said a lack of volunteer doctors and dentists is a big problem. I’ll bet you the doctors are being told not to go by their superiors. No surprise there. It’s really unfortunate. A bunch of people who aren’t even in the medical field, but who just buy and sell the practice, have no problem with people, even children, dying if it will be better for business in the long run.
i don’t know about that film rob, alot of it was bs. the health care in canada sucks, anyone with money in canada comes here for treatment.they have like 3 mri machines in the whole country we have 3 in each city.they could wait 2-3 years for any surgery that is not deamed life threating whitch means you could live in pain for 3 years waiting to have a knee replacement even if you can’t walk.
“they could wait 2-3 years for any surgery that is not deamed life threating whitch means you could live in pain for 3 years waiting to have a knee replacement even if you can’t walk.”
Still sounds better than here in the USA, if you don’t have the money or insurance here you get run out into the street to die or suffer. The proof is the thousands of people who turned out for RAM LA and some charity.
compared to nothing it is better but medicare and medi caid are better than there health care system.
Roberto,
Are you from Canada? I’m from Canada and really in order for me to even start to say some of the things that you are saying I would site some sources.
So where are you getting your information from or are you just getting this from a person you dated once who was Canadian?
Browne
We were at the Forum on 8/11 as volunteers. We finally succeeded in getting our badge, but unable to find anyone to put us to work so we left after a couple hours of standing around and trying to ask different people where to go or who was in charge. Seemed disorganized. Unable to find out what time tickets were given out to patients each day. KTLA said to be at the Forum at midnight on 8/ll & plenty of people went there but you could not get into the parking lot. Cars circled around the blocks trying to get inside. Been searching the internet trying to find out what time tickets are issued to patients; been calling phone numbers on the different RAM sites, but only get recordings. I don’t get it. Was this for RAM to get exposure or to make the nation see how badly healthcare is needed? It is very frustrating and time (and gas) consuming for us looking for help or to volunteer. Disaster comes to mind. How many, if any, got help? There was absolutely no structure.
i work in the medical field, i see canadains all the time. they come in and pay cash because they don’t want to wait for service and do nothing but complain about the medical system there.
and what part of canada are you from? please list all your sources with any rebuttals.
http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/
What time are tickets issued for each day?
[edit] Canadians visiting the U.S. to receive health care
Some residents of Canada travel to the United States because it provides the nearest facilty for their needs. Some do so on quality grounds or because of easier access.
A 2002 study showed that the amount of Canadians using US services to be “barely detectible relative to the use of care by Canadians at home.” [4]
According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach’s spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[47] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tiered health care.[48]
When Robert Bourassa, the premier of Quebec, needed cancer treatment, he went to the US to get it.[49]
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[50] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accomodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[51]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe And Mail states, “More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care.” [52]
I got this email, dont know if it will help anyone, there are websites, twitter pages, etc. Hope it helps.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RAM Los Angeles
Dates: August 11-18
Location: The Forum in Inglewood, CA
Needs: All vision, dental, and medical professions
FOR PATIENTS
How to Receive Treatment: All of our services are free and are provided by volunteers. The doctor is free; the dentist is free; the eye doctor is free. Please arrive early, bring a snack, and be prepared to wait. Your wait may be long; chairs will be provided for your comfort.
Services:
DENTAL: Cleanings, fillings, extractions, and root canals. Everyone receives a free dental exam. Pediatric dentistry is available.
VISION: Vision exam and free prescription glasses made onsite. (NOTE: May not be able to make glasses for everyone.) Cataract surgery.
MEDICAL & WOMEN’S HEALTH: Mammograms and Pap smears; pediatric exams; adult physicals & medical consults (including diabetes and hypertension); chiropractors; acupuncture; blood lab work; chest X-rays; medication assistance; and many other medical specialties available.
Services are provided by Remote Area Medical for the uninsured, underinsured, unemployed, and those who cannot afford to pay. Services are provided by volunteer doctors, nurses, dentists, dental hygeinists, dental assistants, ophthalmologists, optometrists, opticians, and other trained health professionals from the State of California.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
We are working feverishly to recruit more volunteers for RAM’s first big expedition outside of the Southeast: RAM-LA. Please visit http://www.ramusa.org/expeditions/2009/ramla2009.htm for complete details.
Dates: August 11-18
Location: The Forum in Inglewood, CA
Needs: All vision, dental, and medical professions
Especially needed: All vision professionals, dental hygienists, dentists
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RAM Enters the Social Networking Age
We have now officially launched the RAM Facebook page. The link is: http://www.facebook.com/RAMUSA.ORG
We also have created a RAM Twitter stream: @ramusaorg
These services will be used to augment our main website, and we hope to keep our volunteers better informed of upcoming activities and other RAM news.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please also visit our schedule at http://www.ramusa.org/expeditions/schedule.htm as we have much more happening than this.
I also work in the medical field. I don’t see all that many Canadians coming here, in fact haven’t seen any.
Now since you work at a hospital as a medical something, then you must know that we in the medical field have this thing that we call documentation. Now I don’t really care about your little personal story as you don’t care about my personal story. Personal anecdotes are just little fairy tales that people pull out of their ass where they are the main character and someone close to them dies, so that people who are too lazy to do research can win at online debate.
What you have seen or think or feel means nothing. (And same with me the fact that I work in the medical field and have worked in hospitals and the fact that I am Canadian doesn’t automatically mean that I know more than anyone else. What I says means nothing if I don’t back it up. So don’t think I’m saying you don’t know, just because you’re not Canadian.)
If you haven’t documented it or do not have documentation of it, it didn’t happen.
So please go online and at least get us two links that aren’t related to Wikipedia that factually support what you say, after you have done that and made some effort I will respectfully discourse this topic with you.
Browne
roberto, what specifically in Sicko isn’t true? You pointed out some flaws in Canada’s health care (without any sources, as Browne pointed out), yet didn’t directly debunk anything in the film. You said the film is b.s. What parts specifically?
Roberto,
If you have a source you sort of have to say where the source is from, I mean you went to school to do your medical thing, right? Hope you did. You can’t just cut and paste something without saying where it’s from oh is it from Wikipedia. I bet it is. You’re a bright one.
Browne
World Healthcare Rankings:
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar
you havn’t documented anything as well, i told you my source but it dosn’t matter, i posted one thing from wick and the other link was from the canadian healthcare system themselves.what is it your debating with me? you think they get timely healthcare?
thanks for those links sandy i am looking into donating some time.
Thanks for providing us with all of this info Sandy. The 115 is also adding extra service, for those who might want to go out there, but the 115 starts running at 5am and it looks like you’ll have to be out there way before that.
I didn’t realize how many comments had gotten on here, only 7 showed up on my email.
Browne
roberto, you said the film Sicko was b.s. What parts? That’s all I’m debating with you. I never said you were wrong about your points on Canada’s health care. I just want to know what parts of Sicko are untrue, as you stated. You said the film was b.s.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
please make sure you have sources for eveything you post as well than, or i guess its not true and i will not reply to you.
roberto, are you ever going to tell me what’s “b.s.” about Sicko? I really want to know. I just watched the film. I’d hate to think I was watching nothing more than lies, because I thought it was a great film. I just need you to tell me what parts of the film weren’t true. Surely you wouldn’t need web sources to make that point, after all, you work in the medical field.
Roberto,
I have family and friends in Vancouver, Toronto, and London (in the UK). I got my degree in Public Health and I’m always interested to hear what they like and dislike about their healthcare systems. I realize that I’ve only spoken to about 50 or so people – but I never meet these disgruntled Canadians or Brits who are ready to run to the US for their healthcare. The cross section of people I have spoken to have been treated for cancer, had hysterectomies, get their diabetes and hypertension treated, and gotten their kids braces. I haven’t heard the gripes about long waiting times or less than professional service that I read about in the American press.
Do I have any hard data – nope. Just a bunch of family and friends who trip out on how we do things here. I don’t think I’d like 17.5%VAT or paying an annual television license. But if the $700 a month that comes out of my check for health insurance with a major insurance provider went to the feds, the state, or the county for the same coverage – big whoop to me, it’s still gone.
As far as RAM LA goes, I heard on KPCC this morning that they were turning people away because not enough doctors and dentists were volunteering their services. That’s a sad statement right there. Those Beverly Hills boob doctors I see in the LA Weekly couldn’t give up one day of pushing silicone to help some needy people out?
@roberto – Yes, compared to nothing it’s better, but the problem with our system is the gaps in health care access. There are people who effectively have nothing – no insurance, no connections or money, lack of information, and not qualifying for medi-cal.
The problem in Canada is getting surgery quickly. The problem in America is getting a root canal if you’re poor and lack insurance.
They’re different problems, and not comparable, but both are real problems.
We’re trying to fix our problem.
The Canadians can fix their own problem.
Living in a mansion sucks, because you have to walk like 200 feet from the entertainment room to the kitchen.
We’re #37!
I hate to jump into the fray but, Roberto, I’m a bit confounded by your directing us to the link http://www.canadian-healthcare.org and the article on City Journal’s website. What was your goal in having us look at those links?
The first link takes us to a site that neutrally describes in a few words the Canadian healthcare system and, in passing, mentions that some people criticize it while others celebrate it.
The second link takes us to an article in a conservative magazine (associated with libertarian-of-sorts Rudi Giuliani). The piece offers lots of anecdotal evidence and no data. (The “research” it provides is wack: One example is the supposed reason that 15,000 elderly French died during the worst heat wave in France’s history in 2003. The article simplistically attributed the deaths to a shortage of doctors, presumably caused by that country’s socialized medical system. But according to the United Nations’ Human Development Report 2007-8 [http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/58.html], France had last year 337 physicians per 100,000 citizens while the U.S. had 256. I doubt the numbers were very different in 2003. Besides, I understand that most heat wave victims died at home.)
I think there is wide consensus that Canadian wait times at hospitals and clinics have increased over the years due to the shrinking budget that a succession of governments have alloted the system. But this doesn’t refute the argument that their healthcare structure—paid for by Canadians in their role as taxpayers, not as patients, effectively equalizing access—is far superior to our own. Their problems are the result of free-market ideologues who want to discredit socialized medicine by starving it to death. It’s like conservatives here who are destroying the public education system by removing its funding—it leads to the perception that government-provided anything is inherently incapable of ever funtioning adequately. It’s a trick that works well, unfortunately. Hopefully, their system’s budget will be restored at some point.
Either way, however, despite their longer wait times, I know that many people here wish they could claim Canadian citizenship so that they could get free healthcare, which is overall of very good quality and dramatically less costly (http://www.pnhp.org/PDF_files/ReviewUSCanadaOpenMedicine.pdf)… Canadian wait times still beat ours when you’re not rich.
well its not free healthcare, they pay taxes and they do not have the same quality of healthcare as us(if insured) and there are long waits up to 3 years for things they determine elective.i see no one else providing there sources so why am i supposed to? look into it yourselves all i know is i see alot of canadians where i work paying cash to avoid long waits for surgery and they are not happy with the healthcare system.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/07/06/2007-07-06_more_lies_from_moore.html
The problem really is that most people in this country are selfish, greedy one-dimensional morons who don’t think for themselves.
The rich still have private doctors at their disposal, it’s not like they’re sitting for 40 minutes waiting for their 5-minute HMO doctor’s visit.
If there are Canadians who can afford a trip to the U.S. for medical care because they don’t want to wait for the government-paid plan, uh, check this out: Rich People in America do that ALL THE TIME. Right now there’s an American flying on a Lear jet to Europe somewhere for some kind of medical treatment, probably because of the advancements in medicine (in other words, things that may actually work, as opposed to the approved and heavily-lobbied shit that we get thanks to the FDA).
roberto, I see you have a NY Daily News link with a title involving Michael Moore being a liar. Why would you need a link? You said you work in the medical industry. But anyhow, I’ll read it. Thank you. From your own experiences in the medical industry, what have you seen that would refute any specific part of the film? Earlier you talked about people having to wait for surgeries, but the film never claims that everyone in Canada gets a surgery right away. So I don’t see how that would prove any part of the film to be b.s.
roberto
August 13th, 2009 | 9:27 am
“well its not free healthcare, they pay taxes”
Thank you, roberto, but everyone knew that. Nobody thought that government ran health care was paid for by the tooth fairy and the man on the moon. We all knew was funded with tax dollars. But thank you for the lecture, anyway.
From the link “Roberto” just posted (and my thoughts):
“I am a new American, but I grew up and worked for many years in Canada. And I know the health care system of my native country much more intimately than does Moore. There’s a good reason why my former countrymen with the money to do so either use the services of a booming industry of illegal private clinics, or come to America to take advantage of the health care that Moore denounces.
***He says “with the money to do so”. If you have the money to get on a plane, come to the US, stay at a hotel for a couple of weeks and afford a private doctor to take care of your sickness, great. What does this have to do with poor, unemployed Americans who aren’t even able to wait an hour to at least see a doctor?***
Government-run health care in Canada inevitably resolves into a dehumanizing system of triage, where the weak and the elderly are hastened to their fates by actuarial calculation. Having fought the Canadian health care bureaucracy on behalf of my ailing mother just two years ago – she was too old, and too sick, to merit the highest quality care in the government’s eyes – I can honestly say that Moore’s preferred health care system is something I wouldn’t wish on him.
***I think he is describing a crowded waiting room by saying “dehumanizing system of triage”. Has someone actually fucking DIED in an emergency room in Canada? I’m not sure if you’re aware, but they shut down a Hospital here in L.A. because someone died while waiting in an emergency room, how’s that for “dehumanizing” my dude?***
In 1999, my uncle was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. If he’d lived in America, the miracle drug Rituxan might have saved him. But Rituxan wasn’t approved for use in Canada, and he lost his battle with cancer.”
***I love how he says “If he lived in America” as if that automatically would get him the access to care and the drug. If he lived in America and was unemployed and poor, he would have died you fool.***
Roberto, how about you start using your brain (actually, start by using your heart and soul)? Pretend you are poor and don’t have health insurance and you just got a pounding toothache, what are you going to do?
Either way, however, despite their longer wait times, I know that many people here wish they could claim Canadian citizenship so that they could get free healthcare,
i guess they didn’t rob, maybe i was to harsh what i said about the film, all i know is that alot of people are not happy with the healthcare system in canada and its from personal experience only.and plese put your source that say the film is 100% true and accurate or i can’t respond anymore.
Roberto, I never said the film was 100% accurate. I only pointed out a couple of scenes, that were documented on camera! The proof is the film itself. Since you’re obviously not going to point out any specific things in the film that aren’t true, based upon your own experiences in the medical industry and not some op ed by a right wing rag, I’m going to have to assume you’ve never even seen the film. You obviously disagree with some of the people commenting here ideologically, and have decided to disrupt the discussion because of it. You have proven one thing, actually. And that’s that the right wing will stop at nothing to disrupt the health care reform debate in America. You’ve done your job here. Now make a sign and go to a townhall meeting. I’ll watch CNN tonight and try to figure out which screaming protester is you. It’ll be fun.
well your wrong rob, the health care system as it stands won’t last long either but thats a whole other topic and i never once said anything about not being for universal healthcare in america just that the system in canada is not great so how am i disrupting the dicussion?sorry if i didn’t like the film or have a different view of it i guess thats how you treat people that have a different view.please don’t just watch something and beleave it to be true go investigate for yourself or just follow the heard but i don’t need to do it for you.
and not some op ed by a right wing rag,
rob the dailynews is a right wing mag? please list your source for that or are you just slandering them because you didn’t like the article?
roberto, it’s obvious you’re not going to tell me what parts of Sicko were untrue, so I give up in trying to get you to do so. In the meantime, I’m left with no other choice than to believe that the film is truthful, since you haven’t made a convincing case to the contrary. Nice chatting with you. Take care.
Bay area d.j./political blogger Davey D talks a little about the event in Inglewood, while giving some interesting opinions on health care.
http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/breakdown-fm-healthcare-or-healthscare-which-way-should-we-go/
I went to the Forum tonight to see if I could get a ticket to see the doctors. The big Forum sign said NO MORE TICKETS TO BE GIVEN OUT for the rest of days. A woman was handing out a small info flyer it states:
“RAM EVENT”
“As of Thursday, August 13th, all numbers/wristbands have been disseminated for the duration of the event. RAM will not be able to treat any additional patients.”
“For information on free or discounted medical services in California, please call 211.”
“We thank everyone for their cooperation.”
Humm, if I don’t cooperate? Oh that’s why the LAPD is there. Well, I guess I should just go home and let laeastside know.
Good job refuting a bunch of right wing myths, half truths and war story’s Rob, I think it’s pretty obvious that our US health care system is not only a disgrace but is an example of the Social Darwinism (aka dog eat dog) that pass’s for democracy in the present day USA.
Health care should be a human right, not a privilege based on money and the class system of economics and race.
This Social Darwinism is also obvious in our systems of justice, the prison industrial complex, education, and govt services (remember Hurricane Katrina?).
All the bullshit coming down from on high is so apparent and phony (including the town hall “astro-turfers and tea baggers) that one almost has to be blind not to see it.
rob just beleave everything you see, you haven’t proven that anything in the movie is true, you can slander things with no source or facts and its ok for you to do that but i am supposed to put links for anything i say.
Good job refuting a bunch of right wing myths, half truths and war story’s Rob
can you show me one comment where he did that?
Yeah, about a dozen times but it doesn’t seem to satisfy your sweet tooth for attention.
Your bullshit statement
“the health care in canada sucks, anyone with money in canada comes here for treatment.they have like 3 mri machines in the whole country we have 3 in each city.they could wait 2-3 years for any surgery that is not deamed life threating whitch means you could live in pain for 3 years waiting to have a knee replacement even if you can’t walk.”
But I appreciate your comments because they gave everyone else a chance to refute and expound on our US catastrophe of a health care system.
Thanks, DQ, Better yet, thank Michael Moore. All I did was watch the film. I thought it was a good movie. All I wanted to know was which parts of the film were untrue, as claimed by a commenter. Never got an answer. So, I guess the film’s true! After all, it is a documentary, and everything in the film is documented..on camera. But, you never know. Maybe M. Moore hired a bunch of actors. LOL.
Menoman, it’s unfortunate the event wound up the way it did. I thought it would be a success, but I shouldn’t have underestimated the greed and callousness of doctors in the LA region. Hopefully the people who were unable to be seen get some kind of help through the 211 system.
I wouldn’t call the event a failure. Lots of people got treated for free. It brought a very real face to the people who are uninsured. Yes it was sad RAM didn’t get to more people, but they got to alot of people. They are volunteer. They did this for free. Even if they only helped one person they would have done alot and they did more than help one they helped thousands. And should really be commended for what they did.
Browne