Random Flicks in the Flats
by Art
Me and “the flats” have along history together (btw, that foto is from flickr). I lived there in the PJs for several periods of my life and had familia who stayed there as well until they tore down the projects, after we left I still came around to cause trouble, make money and pick up on girls as a “weekend warrior”. When they tore down the largest collection of projects on the west coast in the late 90s/early 2000s, they squeezed much of the barrio into the smaller more run down neigborhood between the Pico Gardens and Aliso Village complexes, helped push the existing gangs into other neighborhoods (which never disappeared) and made a lot of people angry and bitter. I have mixed feelings about this because the area was pretty rough and a concentration of trouble is a bad recipe, but for christ’s sakes they didnt even replace the new complexes with a competent number of low income housing units, opting instead to section 8 folks away so that their cholito kids can start up clickas in other complexes around LA, real smart. I believe they tore down 600 units from Aliso village alone and replaced it with 400 units, half of which were market rate.
A bit of history and info on this area: It was always a pocket of poverty since the pueblo days of LA. it was the low land between Boyle Hts and the LA River, and attracted poor immigrants, mexicans blacks and indios as the land flooded a lot, originally even the poorest farmers let their animals graze in the location. I didnt know until recently, but the flats actually was sort of L shaped and extended to the area where the Estrada Courts (VNE) projects lie, all at the foot of the hill starting boyle hts and east of the LA River. This area was carved up big time when the freeways, and specifically the East LA interchange, were built in the 50s, but in my world the flats went from the hollywood freeway (top of the Alisos) to the lower end of the Pico Gardens projectos (under the whittier blvd bridge). I read that back in the day molokkan russians also had a strong presence in the area, and up until the racial beefs of the late 80s/ early 90s, the projects were the only ones in East LA with a large black community (which had implanted a strong love for LA’s black culture and population in me that is sadly not present in a lot of Latinos).
So anyways, I took some flicks when I was down there recently checking out the goldline. I rarely stop by and say hi to the folks I knew, as that was the “bad me” part of my life and most of my maintained contacts were involving illicit activities or gang drama, things I now avoid as a soccer mommy. Here is the tip of my picture trove iceburg, maybe one day I’ll pull out my childhood project pics (which my mom had thought she destroyed years back out of the embarassment of the fact that we lived there, thats a whole nother story and therapy session).
The 98 cent store has been the commercial anchor of the community for quite some time. It is also the frontline between TMC and PFlats (that used to occupy the Aliso Village PJs and now are spread out all over). It’s sad how much corporate America avoids minority communities, despite the massive amount of consumer crap minorities buy.
The area, despite its lack of commercial amenities, has a good amount of liquor stores for its small size. That ensures access to lunches of chili fritos. The kids stay obese and sugar addicted, the men stay drunk, and the women are ensured diabetes, yay! BTW, fuck you whole foods/trader joe’s; go to the locations of these asswipe stores within radius of a minority enclave and you will find local barrio residents who are health conscious shopping there, I hope fresh and easy mops the floor with you! And while Im on the corporate apartheid tip, screw In N’ Out and all the asshat restaraunts that need to be given the red carpet treatment to enter “markets” that have plenty of spending capital and need for them yet still act as if brown folks cannot eat like white folks, B effen s.

The flatas area was once mainly a residential shantytown, but policymakers with no concern for their poorer residents allowed much of the area to be checkered with industrial uses. The northwest end of Aliso Village (or vista del sol or whatever the hell they call it now) always smelled like vinegary el pato sauce from the factory across mission, I would also bet that this is the location of the bulk of low income units in the new development sitting on Aliso Village’s grave. Beyond deteriorating the fabric and aesthetic quality of the community, rezoning industrial crap next to a large concentration of poor neighborhoods and low income housing creates “dead zones” for half of the day. The combination of lots of idle children and large swaths of dead zones where there is no supervision is not a good thing, and you dont need to be a child psychologist to figure that out. Im sure that had a lot to do with why the area once housed the most dense concentration of gangs in LA (and there are still a lot in this tiny area), as well as the fact that they plunked down the largest collection of decrepit dense projects on the west coast; I recall Primera Flats, Cuatro Flats (pico stoners), AVKillers, Al Capone, Clarence St., TMC, East Coast Crips, Aliso Brims (thats old skool) and East LA 13 all in an area smaller than USC’s campus. The bottom pic is where a residential clump is surrounded by industrial buildings. The top pic is of the alley I was first robbed in when I was around 11, my black eye sealed my (and my abuelo’s) notion that I would basically live at my grandparents house in the much nicer maravilla area, as long as we still lived in the PJs. I rarely had trouble riding my bike from my abuelo’s to play street fighter 2 at the store on mednik, or the long haul to food city on Garfield where the action got heavy.

This is the new LAUSD highschool that is located on the north side of 1st as well as the goldline construction that will eventually run down the middle of the street. I am glad they are putting in a needed highschool in the area, and the rail line will be a great addition. But much is left to be said about the still heavy handed way public institutions just plunk down things in poorer area with little regard for the locals (see the giant cosco-esque new hollenbeck police station for further evidence). That school took out the last remaining street fronting commercial buildings on 1st street’s north side, many of which were really old and had significant architectural value. There was also a small lot on gless where there was a local open air swapmeet, after they locked the gate folks kind of made due selling stuff on the street but the whole activity is now gone, another example of “screw you” planning in the barrio and its negative effects. The school would have been much better suited placed on the south side of 1st (the bottom pic) which is all industrial deadspace, was much closer to the community’s center, has little local cultural significance, and would not have obliterated the informal commercial hub of the area, but I digress. This kind of whining is what happens when smart kids from ELA get into urban planning.


The area is quite dense, as a stat nerd I always wondered the true population of the area when those below the official radar would be counted. At a meeting i had in South Gate I was told reading water usage rates is the best way to calculate the population of a community with a lot of undocumented folks, they said South Gate’s pop is officially a little under 110,000, but with the meter reading it is actually above 150,000; I can just imagine the jump in areas like this one or South LA.
A mural in the old Pico Gardens.



This last pic is the cherry on top. Notice the lime green crocs, a mullet that would make any girl swoon, black cords, and the whole “fresh out the chower” vibe that would any narco bust out lineas? Vato was too proud to let me get a straight up pic of him, so I snapped this one as they entered the partay. That’s enough of the flatas. Hope you enjoyed!




Nice pics and story! So are paisas wearing crocs now? That’s hybrid culture outta hand!
I was driving by the El Pato factory the other day and it still smells like harsh vinegar and chiles, that can’t be good for you. That little swap meet was a great place to buy stuff, and they even had food vendors with proper tables.
That was a really good post. I’ve never been to the area that you describe (I don’t live in LA), but your comments really helped me imagine it. I especially appreciated everything you said about the messed up development patterns—that made a lot of sense to me and mirrored things that have happened in many places that I’ve lived. Nice work.
One thing, though: you castigate Whole Foods and Trader Joes for not opening up shop in the neighborhood but, in my view, those stores don’t do anyone any favors when they open a store. Sure, I’d rather shop at a Whole Foods than a beer-cigarette-lottery ticket place, but I don’t think that those are our only choices. And I also believe that big corporate chains like Whole Foods undermine locally owned, smaller shops and, with that, the health of the residents.
I would like to see more ecologically oriented, community-based forms of development. I’m draw to things like the South Central Farms and environmentally sound, inexpensive transportation programs. There’s got to be a way to bring people together, reduce expenses, and improve health without putting more money in the hands of the big (albeit health-oriented) capitalists!
Anyway, thanks very much for the great post.
(By the way, I’ve got to say this: mullets friggin’ rule!!!)
Yeah, that El Pato factory reeks! I always rush to roll up the windows as I roll by. It only gets worse when it gets warm as it is now.
Thanks for sharing ….I took a pix of my friends one night in front of that virgen mary alter/mural after the cops raided some warehouse party thing down the st…at night the candles makes it look kind of eerie…
great post but i’ll have to take exception to the whole foods/trader joes bashing. jeeez, these places aren’t home depot or wallmart fer crissakes. there are way worse corporate evils than than these two grocery stores, especially trader joes as it has cheaper milk/bread/cheese than any local grocery store in my lincoln heights neighborhood. vons, ralphs etc. are MUCH worse and i avoid them like the plague.
My bashing was based on the fact that these guys refuse to set up shop in minority neighborhoods, no matter how strong the buying power. And in a perfect world a normal mom n pop store would offer those goods, but this is not a perfect world.
i wish they would too. i hate driving to south pas just for groceries. sometimes trader joes will ask for your zip code when you buy something, i’ve been telling all my friends to say 90031. tj’s is asking so they can ascertain where people are driving from in order to find where they might open the next branch. the vons in lincoln heights is a piece of shit, i refuse to go in there.
hey art, i would love to see the project pics from your childhood if you feel like posting them.
trader joes is going national, i don’t think they’re really interested in expanding locally.
also just to chime in on the grocery front. sadly fresh and easy, though it has claimed to go into underserved areas, has only so far gone into glassell park and compton, which are not of direst need, and otherwise are going into hollywood, manhattan beach, etc., places that are FULL of grocery stores. and the jobs aren’t very great jobs either compared to union grocers or tjs/whole foods. 20 hours a week and expensive health care, not many skills because it’s all automated.
but yeah…i want them or someone selling decent choices to come into underserved areas…especially with gas the way it is and obesity rates the way they are. same for unit replacement of affordable units! what the hell?! let’s get some more freaking units!
Great article! I currently live in the new modified location, Pico Aliso. Crime activities are still active in the block I live in (perhaps not at a higher density like before) and it will never disappear untill the root of the problem is fixed. That starts at home and all the components that link the community. Targeting the needs to the spychological/financial/social dynamic matters of these citizens could have been a nice make over and great investment
Anyway, I can go on and on.
Once again, great job. It is nice to know the history behind the place I call home. I had no idea it was so severe back then and unfortunate that the previous problems attacked elsewhere.
great article!!!
i am also a av teen. lived the first 12 yrs of my life in the aliso village housing projects. they moved me into the new pico gardens units. when u were describing the old pjs it took me back through fun, crazy, and sad memories.. but in the end made me who i am today! my family has 3 generations of living in them. its crazy when we get together and and go through old pictures. i have a myspace if your ever intrested to check them out.
What’s up Homies ??? Remember Blazin in the Archways ??? Slanging all night on 5th street ?? Remember Ms King ?? Drinking a gang of Fuckin Beer ?? We smoked so much bud it was Crazy !!! Best time of my life !! Remember runnin from the Black and Whites ?? As one of the few White Boys to come to the Projects, I learned lifes lessons !!!Every time I blaze I think of My Homies in the Flats !! peace !!!
White Boy Bob
Im india From East Side Primera Flats. Stuck over here in Las Vergas. Im tring to get ahold of some of my people. I just got out of prison, i did a two year rip for some bull shit and lost track of everone. orale pues i hope i here from someone, anyone.