Recently, many people have said to me, “I don’t know what I will do if McCain wins?” Maybe voting Democrats should have a back-up plan just in case.
Since I don’t vote (see the Emma Goldman quote below) my life will in all likelihood stay the same – barely employed, no health insurance, don’t own property, no 401K, etc. So if McCain wins I won’t be doing anything different and if Obama wins my life will be the same. But for those who believe in the U.S.A.’s democratic system what will you do if your candidate doesn’t win?
“If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal.”
Essentially, life goes on. Make the best of it and adapt to what changes. Considering a draft is doubtful, I don’t see how I’ll be affected much. Maybe financial aid, too. Most of the economy is out of the government’s hands that electing someone doesn’t mean drastic changes will occur. The market, for better or for worse, is in the hands of those who participate, and the government can only impose barriers to participation.
The positive action of this election is that it’s got the average person interested in running their country again and regardless of who wins that is a good thing.
We the people run this country not the person who wins. If we the people continue to look, criticize and not be sucked into the world of marketing bullshit, it won’t matter who wins.
We run this country and the person who is elected whether they be Democrat or Republican are agents of the people.
One person can’t do it all and certainly won’t be able to fix this current economic mess, but everyone who lives here working together can.
Maybe your life will stay the same Edie, but then again maybe not, the miserable history of the last eight years of Republican rule, from the attack of 9 11, the horrible Iraq war costing millions of lives and billions of dollars, the non existence of any universal health care, the attack on our privacy by Bush Homeland Security spying, the decreasing jobs and increasing cost of living, the Bush oil cronies ripping us off at the gas pump, the non action vis a vis immigration and the consequent mass La Migra raids on the mostly Mexican and Mexican American community’s, the astronomical increase in incarceration rates of poor people (800 %), from 20 or 30 thousand inmates in the nineties to almost 200,000 inmates today.
The appointment of right wing Supreme Court Justices that want to do away with our Constitutional Rights including the Bill of Rights.
Hurricane Katrina, The litany of NeoCon rip off artists in jail and many still operating with impunity.
The Republican scam of “No Child Left Behind” and it’s awful effects on the education of our children.
Anyway Edie I think you get the message and the list could go on and on, and please don’t tell me that if we would have had a President Gore or Kerry in the White House nothing would have been different because I would have to pull out the bullshit flag.
It’s when people don’t act or get involved in their communities that fascist entities like what we have had for the last eight years start licking there lips and making plans for us.
If we don’t throw the bums out we will certainly see the end of any kind of democracy and justice. You will experience at the very least, more of the same, and with the appointment of 3 or 4 more fascist leaning Supreme Court Justices very likely a wild swing into total Fascism including an end to women’s rights, civil rights, human rights, a religious dogmatic nation based on some right wing Evangelist moral code, concentration camps for non adherence to rules, Private armies (like Blackwater Corp) as our military and massive immigration raids in all our communities, ect; ect; ect;.
So if you think your vote or involvement doesn’t matter you might want to rethink your attitude and consider what might not have taken place in the last eight years if the Bush/Cheney Fascists were only a bad dream.
“In 1996 welfare reform by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed into law by Democratic president Bill Clinton, the legislation ended welfare as an automatic federal entitlement and required states to oblige able-bodied recipients to work. The law put a five-year limit on welfare (the average stay on the rolls had been 13 years) but exempted 20 percent of the cases—roughly equivalent to the portion of the welfare population believed too dysfunctional ever to get off public assistance.â€
City Journal
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_4_working_poor.html
I have to agree with Edie if you were are or poor or very close to poor I don’t think it’s going to make much of a difference. The only people either of these two candidates truly care about is the firmly middle class and the classes above that. The Democrats just give you the courtesy of blind folding you before they shoot you in the head.
The selfishness and cruelty of this country came to a high under Clinton, because the left is not really the left but a bunch of moderates who don’t want to rock the boat. Under Clinton the left sat and watched as poor people got poorer and the jails filled up with their sons.
It’s hard for me to believe that my vote will truly make a difference for the poor.
I believe I can make a difference but voting the action of voting for the President if that is what your biggest act is, well… you know really….if you don’t hold that person accountable then what does it matter. I think the real work comes after the President is elected.
Browne
I agree there are too many atrocities to list and this has been the case under even the most progressive government leaders. We have not gone from a progressive, for the people type of country to a war mongering, greedy state once Bush was elected. Besides, why is there only one possible solution for change. There are long histories of resistance that do not include voting.
lets see what politically engaged latinos have to say…
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/24/mccain-documentary-on-obama-and-the-latino-community-in-chicago-mia/
the rest of us, the apathetic and cynical bunch can get back to snoozing and complaining
Both Obama and the Hamster man want to bail out the rich and stick everyone else with the bill. Seems like both their interests are unrelated to mine. Either way, there are some problems ahead.
I have never thought that Obama had a chance to win, and I still don’t.
What I’m curious to see is how all the “HOPE” and “PROGRESS” folks react when he loses.
The only way I see a possibility that the real oligarchic rulers of this system would allow him to win is if they concluded that to let him lose would incite too much resistance and rebellion–you know, spark rioting and stuff.
I imagine they weigh it like, “Well, maybe we should let him win so that all this anger and discontentment will be pacified for at least another four years as all these deluded fools who believe in “America” wait and watch with bated breath to see all the “hope” and “progress” unfold.”
Or they may say, “Fuck it, we’ve got all the internal surveillance and military force and prison camp structures in place and ready to go already now, bring it on.”
Or they may say, “Fuck it, these wide-eyed hopesters are just gonna cry and retreat to their sad feelings of helplessness and powerless hopelessness once the rightwing steals yet another election in bold, obvious fashion, from the whimpy liberals who will just step aside again, so don’t even worry about them. And besides, it’s not like they’re going to stand up to our continuing crackdown on dissidents who DO take control of their own lives through direct action.”
I don’t know if it will get as ugly as quixote paints–I tend to think that it will, eventually (see Octavia Butler’s _Parable of the Sower_). But I also think that this form of fascism doesn’t really need such obvious machinations. It functions through debt and criminalization and media control. We basically end up policing and confining ourselves and one another by replicating power dynamics and structures in our own lives and interactions, and by propagating feelings of powerlessness and helplessness.
In some ways, the images painted by quixote function as both a warning of what could very well happen when all of this collapses, and at the same time, as a metaphor for what is already happening. Of course, some of these things are already happening in a literal sense–ICE raids rounding up people, internment camps where Latina/o and other immigrant children are held, cops continuing to murder people of color in poor neighborhoods, the prison industrial complex, and so on. For most poor people, especially poor people of color, the picture quixote paints already hits close to home.
Those who deny and ignore this–whether self-hating supporters of the rightwing, or doey-eyed supporters of a faux-“hope” that cynically mines the cultural capital of 1960s rebellion–are the truly deluded.
oh yeah, and one of my favorite quotes of the last eight years:
“Those who choose to live in denial may eventually be forced to live in fear.”
—George W. Bush, 2002
If you really pay attention, you find that they are pretty straight-up about where they’re coming from—and where we’re going.
Your damn right I believe it Viejo Cagon! And anyone that can’t see what has happened (the rise of the robber baron class and fascism in general), over the last eight years is either a drunk, delusional, or just a plain liar and apologist for the right wing fascists.
I won’t again go into the litany of abuses and crimes the Bush/Cheney regime has committed and put into play against the working people of the USA and world, it’s just to damn long and also obvious to anyone with a brain and social conscience.
But if we continue to buy into the old “my vote doesn’t matter, they’re all the same” BS then all I can say is welcome to the Brave New World, you get what you deserve.
But I contend that we still have a fighting chance to make our country a democracy that is the envy of the world and to throw out the bums that got us to the state we’re in today.
Go Obama
no more walls
no more wars
no more prisons
no more spying on us
no more ripping us off
no more welfare for the rich
no more fascist Republicans
VOTE!
Equalmente Viejo Cagon, and instead of Metamucil for fiber try menudo con una pata.
And oye Viejo, this isn’t the time for calmado it’s a time for the people to stand up and demand an end to the Fascism of the Bush/Cheney regime.
And if what’s been going on the last eight years with these criminals seems like a paranoid fantasy then Vaya con Dios, take your Soma pill and go with the flow.
But if one is a real Mexican then it’s not a time for being passive but for pleito like our ancestors fought .
On the other hand if one is a Mexican American, gentrified, non political (or worse a Republican), suburbanite, but now testing the urban working class waters by sticking a toe in it, but not too far, and not taking a stand but neutral, homogenized and pasteurized, with a sense of entitlement, and artistic displeasure at all the mitote, then I can only say “you better check yourself before you wreck yourself”.
Throw the bums out!
Go Obama!
So if Obama wins, the prison industrial complex will fall? Poverty will end? Everyone will know what the true Eastside boundaries are? Cool. But if one believes in this “Democracy” and the candidate one votes for doesn’t win has it failed or has one voted for the loser. If it works and I seem to be reading and hearing if I vote for Obama it will work (like it worked for Gore). As long as he wins, democracy and your vote count but what if he doesn’t win then does that mean democracy didn’t work because he lost? Aren’t the McCain supporters thinking the same thing?
Obama isn’t some magical, post-modern unicorn come to save us, but he’s the best option we’ve got. Obama got my support early in the primaries due to his ability to argument about foreign policy from what seems to me a well informed and rational place. McCain is such a poor candidate, who’s just not up to the job (he probably exceeded his Peter Principle limits when he went to congress), that we’ve got to take the only alternative that’s out there.
If the federal government doesn’t get its shit together in the next eight years, I don’t see any reason why California shouldn’t hold a referendum on leaving the Union. I’m tired of not being served, and I’m tired of having to be held to the failures of the federal establishment.
Maybe, given the current state of the federal budget (bad war in Iraq, bailouts, no health care, etc…) 2009 is the year for a tax strike?
Oye Viejo Cagon, tengo mis cojones (huevo’s),aqui, and I use them regularly gracias.
And I actually did read your post as you suggested, but I found it revisionist, (no surprise), and again tending towards right wing apology.
Although I do understand your agitation and pricklyness,
yet I don’t quite get the “anarchist” epithet you accuse me of, as I am anything but in my call for people to vote and to vote democratic. Anarchists don’t believe in the system and are not usually involved in the democratic process except for distruption and nihilism.
Pero fijate Viejo Cagon! Your truculence and reactionary attitude is very understandable to me in light of the mess the Bush/Cheney regime has gotten us into the last eight years, and with this latest financial disaster by the Robber Baron Republicans (yikes!), and the selection of another “Viejo Cagon”, Candidate McSame, who is afraid of debate and interaction with candidate Obama,(or even showing up on the Letterman Show, que sinverguenza!).
We ordinary citizens though can’t sit on our hands and think that the demise of the Fascist’s is in the bag, these right wingers are expert in anti democratic techniques and will by hook or crook steal an election (as in 2000 and probably 2004).
Again I urge all people who believe in freedom and democracy to vote Obama, it’s probably the most important election we will have the opportunity to be involved in during our lifetimes.
PS, Egualmente (Spanglish), or Igualmente (Castillano), means “the same to you, or likewise, or Y Tu Yo, or maybe even Tu Mama Tambien”.
Sorry but my Eastside roots and Chicano heritage can often be mistaken as crude or less than urbane.
Orale Viejo Cagon! Agarra la onda!
@don quixote: “Anarchists don’t believe in the system and are not usually involved in the democratic process except for distruption and nihilism.”
This statement is an inaccurate regurgitation of the mainstream media line and the general popular perception, which has been deliberately malformed over decades of misinformation and propaganda.
Most of the anarchists I’ve known work hard to practice direct democracy through direct action and participation, and consensus-based decision making, which is a truly democratic process, not a sham designed to conceal underlying oligarchic structures. They don’t always succeed, because they are human, and it’s hard work, and it’s not like others are supportive and trying to engage in the same work. But a lot of times they do succeed (in fact, most of the functioning of our everyday lives is actually more anarchistically structured than not, if you look at how people in general go about their daily decision making and community building; in that sense, we could argue that this “system” wouldn’t function without the spontaneously arising, everyday practices of anarchistic social relations and structures that folks engage in all the time, anarchist or not). And in any case, at least most anarchists realize that democracy is something you have to really participate in and work for on a daily basis, not just something you chauvanistically shove down the rest of the world’s throat as proof of how badass you are just because you mark a piece of paper every few years to indicate your choice of one puppet or another.
And as for nihilism, well, just look around at the society we live in for evidence of how a nihilistic perspective works to propagate and perpetuate itself and destroy everything around it. Nihilism is pervasive and saturates our cultures at every level in this society. This is not surprising, given that our consumer society’s sole function is to engage in the processes of commodification. Democracy is not the ideology that governs our social structures; Capitalism is. The idea of “democracy” is just used to cover up the reality that everything in our lives is reduced to commodity in order to generate profit for the real rulers here. There is no meaning in this, only a selfish, ruthless, myopic drive for profit. Capitalism is a form of nihilism. It is deeply cynical and lacks any meaning. In order to conceal this, capitalism presents us with a myriad of consumer choices, and we learn to participate in the illusion of creating meaning in our lives through making those choices. The “meaning” in our lives thus boils down to the choices we make as consumers, and this illusory “meaning” is supposed to carry us through to retirement and then death, buffering us from the reality that because all relations have been commodified, and all of us have been rendered objects of commodity, our lives have therefore actually been stripped of any meaning and of any way of making meaning. Of course, this is a form of long, slow suicide–the logical conclusion of nihilism.
This system is so nihilistic and cynical that it can package HOPE as a product and then look you straight in the eye while it cynically appeals to your basic experience and needs as a human being in order to sell it to you.
Now that is nihilistic.
I leave you guys a letter from Ron Paul.
Dear Friends:
The financial meltdown the economists of the Austrian School predicted has arrived.
We are in this crisis because of an excess of artificially created credit at the hands of the Federal Reserve System. The solution being proposed? More artificial credit by the Federal Reserve. No liquidation of bad debt and malinvestment is to be allowed. By doing more of the same, we will only continue and intensify the distortions in our economy – all the capital misallocation, all the malinvestment – and prevent the market’s attempt to re-establish rational pricing of houses and other assets.
Last night the president addressed the nation about the financial crisis. There is no point in going through his remarks line by line, since I’d only be repeating what I’ve been saying over and over – not just for the past several days, but for years and even decades.
Still, at least a few observations are necessary.
The president assures us that his administration “is working with Congress to address the root cause behind much of the instability in our markets.” Care to take a guess at whether the Federal Reserve and its money creation spree were even mentioned?
We are told that “low interest rates” led to excessive borrowing, but we are not told how these low interest rates came about. They were a deliberate policy of the Federal Reserve. As always, artificially low interest rates distort the market. Entrepreneurs engage in malinvestments – investments that do not make sense in light of current resource availability, that occur in more temporally remote stages of the capital structure than the pattern of consumer demand can support, and that would not have been made at all if the interest rate had been permitted to tell the truth instead of being toyed with by the Fed.
Not a word about any of that, of course, because Americans might then discover how the great wise men in Washington caused this great debacle. Better to keep scapegoating the mortgage industry or “wildcat capitalism” (as if we actually have a pure free market!).
Speaking about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the president said: “Because these companies were chartered by Congress, many believed they were guaranteed by the federal government. This allowed them to borrow enormous sums of money, fuel the market for questionable investments, and put our financial system at risk.”
Doesn’t that prove the foolishness of chartering Fannie and Freddie in the first place? Doesn’t that suggest that maybe, just maybe, government may have contributed to this mess? And of course, by bailing out Fannie and Freddie, hasn’t the federal government shown that the “many” who “believed they were guaranteed by the federal government” were in fact correct?
Then come the scare tactics. If we don’t give dictatorial powers to the Treasury Secretary “the stock market would drop even more, which would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your home could plummet.” Left unsaid, naturally, is that with the bailout and all the money and credit that must be produced out of thin air to fund it, the value of your retirement account will drop anyway, because the value of the dollar will suffer a precipitous decline. As for home prices, they are obviously much too high, and supply and demand cannot equilibrate if government insists on propping them up.
It’s the same destructive strategy that government tried during the Great Depression: prop up prices at all costs. The Depression went on for over a decade. On the other hand, when liquidation was allowed to occur in the equally devastating downturn of 1921, the economy recovered within less than a year.
The president also tells us that Senators McCain and Obama will join him at the White House today in order to figure out how to get the bipartisan bailout passed. The two senators would do their country much more good if they stayed on the campaign trail debating who the bigger celebrity is, or whatever it is that occupies their attention these days.
F.A. Hayek won the Nobel Prize for showing how central banks’ manipulation of interest rates creates the boom-bust cycle with which we are sadly familiar. In 1932, in the depths of the Great Depression, he described the foolish policies being pursued in his day – and which are being proposed, just as destructively, in our own:
Instead of furthering the inevitable liquidation of the maladjustments brought about by the boom during the last three years, all conceivable means have been used to prevent that readjustment from taking place; and one of these means, which has been repeatedly tried though without success, from the earliest to the most recent stages of depression, has been this deliberate policy of credit expansion.
To combat the depression by a forced credit expansion is to attempt to cure the evil by the very means which brought it about; because we are suffering from a misdirection of production, we want to create further misdirection – a procedure that can only lead to a much more severe crisis as soon as the credit expansion comes to an end… It is probably to this experiment, together with the attempts to prevent liquidation once the crisis had come, that we owe the exceptional severity and duration of the depression.
The only thing we learn from history, I am afraid, is that we do not learn from history.
The very people who have spent the past several years assuring us that the economy is fundamentally sound, and who themselves foolishly cheered the extension of all these novel kinds of mortgages, are the ones who now claim to be the experts who will restore prosperity! Just how spectacularly wrong, how utterly without a clue, does someone have to be before his expert status is called into question?
Oh, and did you notice that the bailout is now being called a “rescue plan”? I guess “bailout” wasn’t sitting too well with the American people.
The very people who with somber faces tell us of their deep concern for the spread of democracy around the world are the ones most insistent on forcing a bill through Congress that the American people overwhelmingly oppose. The very fact that some of you seem to think you’re supposed to have a voice in all this actually seems to annoy them.
I continue to urge you to contact your representatives and give them a piece of your mind. I myself am doing everything I can to promote the correct point of view on the crisis. Be sure also to educate yourselves on these subjects – the Campaign for Liberty blog is an excellent place to start. Read the posts, ask questions in the comment section, and learn.
H.G. Wells once said that civilization was in a race between education and catastrophe. Let us learn the truth and spread it as far and wide as our circumstances allow. For the truth is the greatest weapon we have.
In liberty,
Ron Paul
Gracias for your capitulation Viejo Cagon, but if you live by the old adage “never discuss politics or religion with friends or relatives” then you are living on your knees Viejo. Politics and Economics are what keeps us and our families alive and progressing.
If you live without passion and hope for the future then you are indeed an empty soul.
As far as your keen interest in my “Huevos” I can only say my pair has never gotten a complaint and have helped produce my children. But if your so inclined (I like women personally but adhere to the philosophy of “different strokes for different folks”), I will get you a photo of my huevos, if you have available a large screen on your “trouser pilot” website.
Kualyque,I have nothing but admiration for true Anarchists and the sacrifice’s and change they have sometimes brought about in humankind.
When I stated that Anarchist’s don’t believe in the system, I meant in this system of supposed democracy in the USA and when I stated that Anarchists in the USA are only interested in disruption and nihilism I again am referring to actions taken by the so called Anarchist movement in the USA today.
Emma Goldman, the Flores Magon Hermano’s,Kropotkin, Bakunin, and our own martyred Saco and Vanzetti had a stage and a philosophy of action and real democracy for which they lived and died in many cases.
The Flores Magon Bros were agitators and an inspiration for the Mexican Revolution, Bakunin, Kropotkin in Russia as well, and Saco and Vanzetti were Syndicalists who helped influence the Industrial Labor Movement as well as the IWW in the mines and railroads.
Unfortunately at this time in our history the Anarchist movement doesn’t yet have any real power or the respect of the working class who are mainly interested in feeding their families and securing a future for themselves.
Maybe one of these days the Anarchist movement will reappear reborn with an understanding and a fresh approach to these trying times we live in.
But for now the working and middle class of the USA is in survival mode and the best hope for immediate relief is within the Democratic Party of the USA (and I realize that it has sold out in many instances), and the battle against the Fascist Republican Party, and IMO can be best waged within the confines of the system we presently operate in politically.
And this means supporting Obama and staying involved to make sure he doesn’t capitulate to the Robber Barons who are trying to even take the gold teeth from us taxpayers.
I tip my hat to the Anarchist Movement and the philosophy of democratic Socialism. They have put their ass’s on the line for the general population many times in the past.
But at this time in history I must agree with the late Writer Oscar Wilde who said, “No, I’m not a member of the Socialist Party! Too many meetings.”
@quixote
thanks! we disagree, but I appreciate the sincere effort at establishing common points to engage in real discussion. now THAT takes real ovaries.
and in return, I concede also that I don’t totally write off voting, or the whole thing with Obama. Nor do I necessarily identify as an anarchist, or cling to any other ideological identification, for that matter. I go back and forth, and try to work it out through dialogue. I see his candidacy as an opportunity to engage these concepts of “hope” and “democracy” and so forth. It’s a complex issue. I know some anarchists who support Obama, or at least support voting for him for strategic reasons. I know some Obama supporters who are sympathetic to anarchism, like yourself. On one level, I feel that the whole thing functions as an opportunity to engage a dialogue between the two and raise deeper issues about the notions of real democracy and faux-democracy—like I’m doing here, and like Edie is doing with the original post here in the first place.
We disagree about how a “relief” package of an Obama presidency would function. I see your points, but I feel that it will be more of a palliative than anything, and will serve to pacify and deflect. I think what’s more important than voting in this election, then, is using it as an opportunity to engage in a dialogue about the real, underlying problems, and the true nature of our corporatist oligarchy and how it functions. Find a way to engage Obama supporters in a discussion about how he really ISN’T that different, without alienating them. If we continue to help propagate these notions of “hope” in the “changes” of an Obama presidency, without foregrounding the reality that he is just the nicer puppet of the two puppets of fascism (yes, sorry, we disagree there)–if we do not engage in this discussion, well, then, even if he wins, we’ve still all lost to the fascism that you are seeking to fight.
as for Ron Paul, well, I have nothing to add to the bang-up job that journalist Aura Bogado has already done deconstructing him at Znet and on her blog:
http://tothecurb.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/rewind-dont-believe-the-hype-ron-paul-is-not-your-savior/
Don quixote wrote:
Go Obama
no more walls
no more wars
no more prisons
no more spying on us
no more ripping us off
no more welfare for the rich
no more fascist Republicans
VOTE!
Dios mio!
what would Jesus do…or Reagan…
NObama
Walls work…ask the israelis
Wars are sometimes necessary-again ask the jews
Prisons–keep building them…i feel safer already
No more spying on us–even Barack thinks it’s okay (see the patriot act and obama)
No more ripping us off–you never had money to begin with, i bet!!!
The rich employ me
Fascism–read this http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/missouri-sheriffs-prosecuters-form.html
Vote McCain
Kualyque, I hear you and understand what you are saying,but this discussion on democracy or what passe’s for democracy, and the philosophy of Anarchism and Socialism and it’s relevance to today’s crisis in the USA has got me thinking of certain historical similarities to our present situation
What comes to my mind is the Germany of the Wiemar Republic and the rise of Fascism and Hitler.
Even though the Fascists were rivaled and equaled in strength and numbers by the Communist and Anarchist movements, the Nazi’s used the violent strikes and protests of the Left, and the non action of the Nihilists to scare and terrorize the social democrats and bourgeoisie into supporting the Nazis, who convinced the populace that they were their only hope in restoring peace and order to the German people.
In this way the left played right into the hands of the Nazis and Hitler who took complete power and not only destroyed the Communist and Anarchist movements but instituted the totalitarian Nazi party of Hitler.
Mussolini did the same in Italy and Franco as well in Spain.
My point is that premature action without a solid popular movement has led to reactionary right wing Fascist regimes using the fear of the populace to gain and reinforce power.
I have seen the right wing here in the USA use the Anarchist’s, with the help of reactionary agents provocateurs, as a tool to scare and move people farther to the right.
What I am saying is that in light of the Monopoly Capitalist’s hunger to stay in power completely, as in the last eight years, Obama and the Democratic Party may be a welcome relief from the Fascist Bush/Cheney regime.
Hey I remember Rosie and the Originals “Angel Baby” but this Rosie here isn’t original at all.
Hey if you want to support McSame more power to you but use some original thought instead of being a typical reactionary and using my thoughts and writing design as your unoriginal stencil.
And good luck tonight with your boy “McSame”, I am looking forward to the debate with Obama, hey Rosie McBush is going to be there isn’t he?
Vote! And vote Obama!
any of you think there’s just a slight chance of Martial Law before the elections take place?
http://fromthewilderness.com/nowisthetime2008.shtml
martial law?
na! no way!
‘tas loco!
the marines just happened to be doing civil disturbance/crowd control training over the summer in Indianapolis for no real reason. just cuz. shits & giggles.
& the army is set to station the first ever active unit inside the US specifically for domestic operations on October 1st to respond to the possibility of civil unrest and provide crowd control…oh, for no particular reason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxTzDFofZQ
En la madre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufxsUCKJ51M&feature=related
I missed Amy’s show that day. Isn’t there a documentary with Alex Jones and Mike Rupert about/or called “Martial Law”?
I was just going to type the word “amen” as my comment… but as I’m filling out all the prerequisites to do so, I get the word “SOPES” as my anti-spam word… aaaaauuuuuuuuuu!!!… if I comment again will I get “QUESADILLITAS”, “TLACOYOS”, “MICHELADA”???
Only been to LA a couple of times, but I love your blog!
wow that video is crazy! do you think 14 years ago they could have envisioned Amy Goodman’s broadcast of real news that they would then be able to slap onto the front of their 1994 video in 2008 to make it look like the UN illuminati or the reptilian NWO or whatever were just about to rush in on their black copters and take over in 1994–I mean 2008?
sigh. I have sunken to the level of wingnut. and oh shit, I think I’m missing the presidential debate!
check out Amy Goodman’s recent interview with Arun Gupta, and his recent piece on the economic collapse that they discuss:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/25/cash_for_trash_personal_junk_in