Comments on: Silver Lake is not the Eastside and consumerism isn’t GREEN!!

By: P-3000

P-3000 — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:07:54 +0000

“it’s time to stop singing and start swinging”

I totally agree w Browne, again, we need to talk about the uncomfortable topics and stop covering it all up with dewy eyed let’s just just be nice and positive bs. That doesn’t help individuals to bury their pains and just smile and it won’t help a society to turn a blind eye to it’s sores and scars.

Thanks Tracy for being responsive and changing the name after learning a little about this topic. I’m sure you probably got some heat from some folks, but I (and it seems others) appreciate it.

By: Art

Art — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:14:01 +0000

I just want to fucken fight aye.

By: browne

browne — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:39:33 +0000

I think people should just be able to have discourse. In LA this whole “lets be happy thing,” this is why we had 12 years of Bush. No problem with different opinions, but the whole this is negative, don’t talk about this, lets just be thankful…I’m just so sick of it. I’m so sick of people just never saying anything with no point.

By: alienation

alienation — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:09:56 +0000

It would be good if people would sit down and really talk about it.

All these things some writers claim LA lacks – history, sense of place, continuity – would be revealed, and perhaps the westsiders and newcomers (and eastsiders) would learn something.

By: DarrellKuni Native

DarrellKuni Native — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:12:31 +0000

Don’t know where you get this ‘authority figure’ dealie, a circle or never-ending thread is the last thing I’m looking for — as said here and on the other (Eastsider) blog/thread on the subject, misled claimants should shuddup.

Observe — and respecrt — Los Angeles’ history instead of trying to rewrite it.

In this case, relocate it.

By: bhhapa

bhhapa — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:42:14 +0000

There is such negative energy here, it makes everybody feel bad. This discussion seems like it’s meant to go and stay in circles.
It also seems like “Eastside” claimers – from both sides of the river, but more on the eastside of the river – subconsciously want an authority figure, some councilman or policymaker, perhaps the mayor, to make a decision and define the “Eastside” on paper. Is this about someone making an official decision on name-claiming? Will the “eastside” name war end? Why not sit and have an adult conversation in person?

By: DarrellKuni Native

DarrellKuni Native — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:37:56 +0000

The original natives called our area Yangna. And no one is sure how to pronounce it, they’re all dead. We know how to pronounce what the Alta Californians — btw, look up the term Californios someday, it might help — named our city, and it’s a longie. Since then, we have always been Los Angeles for short.

Following that, neighborhoods got named. Yes, they’ve changed — and you may now look up what Hollywood was called, where was Garvanza and where the original Chinatown was. The river has always delineated the Eastside from the rest of LA. There is no changing that fact.

But some try. And argue for a false new. Stupid really, would you go to Baltimore, NYC, Detroit, SF and rename their areas and neighborhoods? Of course not.

Back off newbies. The Eastside is across the river.

And EP, where I live and btw also I was born here and went to public schools and college here and the family endured the WW II years despite being uprooted and dad swam with his pals in the LA River back in the 20s and as any native Angeleno –note also the E — will tell, EP, Silver Lake, Downtown, Atwater, Los Feliz and other central neighborhoods have their longtime designations, there should be no argument about those names, and they

SURE ARE NOT ON THE EASTSIDE ACROSS THE FREAKIN’ RIVER.

Dude.

By: M. Saldivar Galindo

M. Saldivar Galindo — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:33:38 +0000

Thanx Mark. As I said a few weeks back: VIva Los Angeles cabrones!

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:02:15 +0000

this blog/post/arguement is stupid. LA used to be called something else by the tribes that lived here–probably a hundred different things by successive peoples and communities, but now it’s LA. the communities east of the center of greater los angles have a distinct geographic and cultural feeling that is different than beverly hills, santa monica, westwood, etc. get used to it. names and terms evolve, but apparently your seem to be unable to. get off your pc pedestal… for all of your claims about other people, you are the one being insular, by trying to claim your particular island. talk about a lack of diversity.

By: browne

browne — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:48:51 +0000

Brian you are a clueless moron. I know that’s against internet rules to start off a response like that, but you know I have never seen you post here before and since you want to be a jerk with your first comment then I’m going to be a jerk right back to you.

People can move to wherever they want to move. In Los Feliz white people have been around for years. The problem is this guide was about Los Feliz (they even had rules stating people many of the writers on this blog couldn’t move in, so it was pretty white) in addition to Silver Lake and Echo Park. This is not the location of the Eastside.

Los Feliz isn’t on the Eastside and nothing in this guide was on the Eastside.

And you can’t rename a section of town that has a name. I’m from Los Feliz. I went to school there. My parents live there. I’m not from the Eastside, so you can’t rename my neighborhood and you can’t steal someone else’s name. Now you can, but then you get the above kind of responses.

And the meat of my post really was how green is getting turned into a marketing device. Most people weren’t that interested in that angle, because they like buying shit, but that was a major issue I had with the guide. Nothing wrong with using consumer power, I have a problem with calling it green. Consumerism destroys the planet, again if you’re not into the environment then I’m not talking to you, but if you are then don’t you see an issue with selling green?

Your problem Brian is that you are not from LA and you are getting way too hot under the collar about something you obviously don’t even get. I mean click on the link and you’ll see the neighborhoods covered and you will see why I put what I put. You are defending people who won’t even let you buy them a drink, hell they wouldn’t even let you in the bar, so stop trying to act like you are part of their crew. You’re not.

In my mind hipster doesn’t mean white. Smug trendy assholes come in a rainbow of colors. There are black hipsters, white hipsters, latino hipters, asian hipsters and don’t think I don’t give all of those hipsters grief, I do, I don’t do it all on this forum, but I do on other forums and I will some more. I have no problem saying what I mean. I don’t use euphemisms, because I don’t give a damn. I am not here to make friends, to impress people, to network, or to sell shit. I’m here because someone asked me if I’d like to share my opinion and I said, “Sure.”

Now if you want to read into what I really meant feel free to waste your time, I don’t care. I’ll respond, because it’s entertaining and fun for me to give these kinds of pleasant responses (I might not use euphemisms, but I like using sarcasm.)

Instead of getting all APPALLED you should have kept reading when she let us all know she changed the title from Eastside to something else, so it’s all good. But I have a question for you do you have a problem with this person and their issue with the name of Tracy’s guide:

I’m a bet one million dollars you won’t:

http://www.wildbell.com/2009/10/06/yet-another-flubber-bullet-fired-in-the-never-ending-battle-over-l-a-s-fictitious-eastside/

“I am appalled the mean spirited condescending attitude displayed by Browne” Brian

Thank you!

Grosses bises,

Browne