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		<title>By: Victoria Delgadillo</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/06/a-mural-is-worth-a-thousand-words/comment-page-1/#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria Delgadillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lavando el coco? Oh--I think that means &#039;brain washing&#039;---same difference!

Hmmmmmm, GLOOOORIA MOLINAhhhhhhhh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lavando el coco? Oh&#8211;I think that means &#8216;brain washing&#8217;&#8212;same difference!</p>
<p>Hmmmmmm, GLOOOORIA MOLINAhhhhhhhh?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos El Malo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcos El Malo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahaha, nice word play! I&#039;m intensely interested in palabras y dichos. Is there a Spanish (Mex/Am) equivalent to &quot;whitewash&quot; that carries similar meaning?

Back to the topic: There is definitely a pattern emerging when you look at the mural whitewashing, the sacrifice of mom &amp; pop merchants to development, and last but not least, the attack on the loncheras. I&#039;m sure there are other examples. Is it just me bring paranoid or is  Gloria Molina behind all this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha, nice word play! I&#8217;m intensely interested in palabras y dichos. Is there a Spanish (Mex/Am) equivalent to &#8220;whitewash&#8221; that carries similar meaning?</p>
<p>Back to the topic: There is definitely a pattern emerging when you look at the mural whitewashing, the sacrifice of mom &amp; pop merchants to development, and last but not least, the attack on the loncheras. I&#8217;m sure there are other examples. Is it just me bring paranoid or is  Gloria Molina behind all this?</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Delgadillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria Delgadillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, back full circle to the meaning of &quot;whitewashing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, back full circle to the meaning of &#8220;whitewashing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos El Malo</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/06/a-mural-is-worth-a-thousand-words/comment-page-1/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcos El Malo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s partly about racial shame and self hate, but the biggest component is the same for all politics. Money. This is about bringing in big developers and national chains. Those that stand to benefit the most are friends of and contributors to the politicians.

I think what I find most offensive is the implied attitude of &quot;See? We&#039;re just like you whites! We can tone down our culture if you feel threatened by it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s partly about racial shame and self hate, but the biggest component is the same for all politics. Money. This is about bringing in big developers and national chains. Those that stand to benefit the most are friends of and contributors to the politicians.</p>
<p>I think what I find most offensive is the implied attitude of &#8220;See? We&#8217;re just like you whites! We can tone down our culture if you feel threatened by it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Delgadillo</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/06/a-mural-is-worth-a-thousand-words/comment-page-1/#comment-953</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria Delgadillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Do bureaucrats have the right to appoint themselves the ones to be in charge of community esthetics?”   There are two artists that I know of whose work is fed by the spontaneous-raw art found on taco trucks, as well as murals with various styles and messages.  One of them, Arturo Romo is in the Phantom Sightings exhibit at LACMA, the other is Sesshu Foster, a writer whose work is taught at CalArts.  I mention that, because art that is considered great can be inspired by so many factors.   

If a committee of artists/art historians are appointed to give the thumbs up or down to commissioned public art---isn’t that a whole lotta power for a few to have over an entire community of artists?  I’d like to know more as to what happened that made these politicians want to pull the reigns in tight.   I think the answer to all this is there, not in “what type of system should we set up to bless some and banish others?”   

Yes Art, I fund all my artistic endeavors too. I think it gives me the freedom to do what I want---but the downside is that my budget limits my output. Personally, I have been banned several times by people that (I believe) know nothing about art or fear the dialog that art can open.  Teaching art and art history is a crucial and an important part to opening young minds in our community.  Young people may feel detached from the public art they see, because they do not understand it and thereby don’t value it.  In reality it is the foundation on which they stand.  Thanks for all you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Do bureaucrats have the right to appoint themselves the ones to be in charge of community esthetics?”   There are two artists that I know of whose work is fed by the spontaneous-raw art found on taco trucks, as well as murals with various styles and messages.  One of them, Arturo Romo is in the Phantom Sightings exhibit at LACMA, the other is Sesshu Foster, a writer whose work is taught at CalArts.  I mention that, because art that is considered great can be inspired by so many factors.   </p>
<p>If a committee of artists/art historians are appointed to give the thumbs up or down to commissioned public art&#8212;isn’t that a whole lotta power for a few to have over an entire community of artists?  I’d like to know more as to what happened that made these politicians want to pull the reigns in tight.   I think the answer to all this is there, not in “what type of system should we set up to bless some and banish others?”   </p>
<p>Yes Art, I fund all my artistic endeavors too. I think it gives me the freedom to do what I want&#8212;but the downside is that my budget limits my output. Personally, I have been banned several times by people that (I believe) know nothing about art or fear the dialog that art can open.  Teaching art and art history is a crucial and an important part to opening young minds in our community.  Young people may feel detached from the public art they see, because they do not understand it and thereby don’t value it.  In reality it is the foundation on which they stand.  Thanks for all you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.elacamp.org

proactive graffit abatement with a success rate well beuyond any jail sentence, I have murals running from compton to pacoima to eastlos untouched because of my community outreach and ownership program.

That being said, the whole CD14 mural drama is from a few years back when Villaraigosa was councilman. He created a program to help fix vandalized/damaged murals as well as create a pot of money for new ones from local artists; I am not sure if the signage part was a component of the original program.  Anyways, some loser dipshit named armando herman felt that his personal taste in art should dictate what and what isnt acceptable public art and he got a crew of ignmorant viejitas from the community to yell enough that the program was railroaded into destroying legal graffiti murals and erasing signage done for stores in a graffiti fashion. I remember going to a meeting with the cultural affairs commission where a lot of ex writers now artists showed up to tell this pendejo herman why he was wrong, and i straight schooled him on the subject and then was able to draw out him stating he is an ex tagger now haterator himself, it was quite entertaining (and a lot of aficionados gave me credit and wanted to &quot;do things with my org&quot; all of which never materialized, LA is very talk a lot and do nothing in that way).

I run a small nonprofit dedicated to teaching art in the barrio and promoting positive artistic expression, be it with a brush or spraycan, and have basically detached myself from the Eastside/LA politico/activist/artist scene because Im about putting in community work and got sick of all the smoke being blown up my ass with no results. I fund our programs by taking a chunk of my earning from paid commissions I get and relying on my own volunteering and a solid crew of others dedicated to doing so ourselves, mind you our output has seriously decreased since the birth of my 2nd child and my accpetance into a rigorous planning undergrad program (which I just completed).  This whole egotistic hollywood bullshit makes me hate LA, i have been treated so poorly by many politicos and supposed community activists trying to come up off our genuine conern for art empoerment in the comunidad. I got murals running in front of roosevelt and garfield highschools and begun the longest running and most successful legal graffiti sanctuary/gallery in all of Eastlos (Atlantic blvd alleys on west side of street), yet it is still a bitch, or maybe we dont have the time or capacity, to ge tthe funding to make this prgram something beyond paint in my abuelas garage and volunteering in our free time. any help would be appreciated.

agonzalez@www.elacamp.org

BTW, maybe Ill do a topic on my murals and experiences when I get the time, that Alza topic was muy firme.</description>
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<p>proactive graffit abatement with a success rate well beuyond any jail sentence, I have murals running from compton to pacoima to eastlos untouched because of my community outreach and ownership program.</p>
<p>That being said, the whole CD14 mural drama is from a few years back when Villaraigosa was councilman. He created a program to help fix vandalized/damaged murals as well as create a pot of money for new ones from local artists; I am not sure if the signage part was a component of the original program.  Anyways, some loser dipshit named armando herman felt that his personal taste in art should dictate what and what isnt acceptable public art and he got a crew of ignmorant viejitas from the community to yell enough that the program was railroaded into destroying legal graffiti murals and erasing signage done for stores in a graffiti fashion. I remember going to a meeting with the cultural affairs commission where a lot of ex writers now artists showed up to tell this pendejo herman why he was wrong, and i straight schooled him on the subject and then was able to draw out him stating he is an ex tagger now haterator himself, it was quite entertaining (and a lot of aficionados gave me credit and wanted to &#8220;do things with my org&#8221; all of which never materialized, LA is very talk a lot and do nothing in that way).</p>
<p>I run a small nonprofit dedicated to teaching art in the barrio and promoting positive artistic expression, be it with a brush or spraycan, and have basically detached myself from the Eastside/LA politico/activist/artist scene because Im about putting in community work and got sick of all the smoke being blown up my ass with no results. I fund our programs by taking a chunk of my earning from paid commissions I get and relying on my own volunteering and a solid crew of others dedicated to doing so ourselves, mind you our output has seriously decreased since the birth of my 2nd child and my accpetance into a rigorous planning undergrad program (which I just completed).  This whole egotistic hollywood bullshit makes me hate LA, i have been treated so poorly by many politicos and supposed community activists trying to come up off our genuine conern for art empoerment in the comunidad. I got murals running in front of roosevelt and garfield highschools and begun the longest running and most successful legal graffiti sanctuary/gallery in all of Eastlos (Atlantic blvd alleys on west side of street), yet it is still a bitch, or maybe we dont have the time or capacity, to ge tthe funding to make this prgram something beyond paint in my abuelas garage and volunteering in our free time. any help would be appreciated.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:agonzalez@www.elacamp.org">agonzalez@www.elacamp.org</a></p>
<p>BTW, maybe Ill do a topic on my murals and experiences when I get the time, that Alza topic was muy firme.</p>
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		<title>By: El Random Hero</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Random Hero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem causing all of this white washing is because of the cities incompetence. I won&#039;t get into too much detail because I&#039;m writing up something on this very topic soon, but the law is unclear on the topic of murals. City law doesn&#039;t distinguish what the difference is between tagging/graffiti and a community mural. Also the city doesn&#039;t have any set guide lines on the laws involving murals on private properties. As a result art is being taken down for dumb reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem causing all of this white washing is because of the cities incompetence. I won&#8217;t get into too much detail because I&#8217;m writing up something on this very topic soon, but the law is unclear on the topic of murals. City law doesn&#8217;t distinguish what the difference is between tagging/graffiti and a community mural. Also the city doesn&#8217;t have any set guide lines on the laws involving murals on private properties. As a result art is being taken down for dumb reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Delgadillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria Delgadillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all part of the gentrification plan for the east side, disguised as &quot;permits and permission&quot;.  I love the grocery store and taco truck art too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all part of the gentrification plan for the east side, disguised as &#8220;permits and permission&#8221;.  I love the grocery store and taco truck art too!</p>
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		<title>By: chimatli</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimatli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Victoria! When I&#039;ve taken visitors from other countries around Los Angeles, they have been really impressed by the murals in East LA and to my surprise, the graffiti in the LA River. Taco trucks are also another favorite. Strange then, that these two indigenous (to Los Angeles) attractions are the under fire from politicians, who you would think would want to encourage tourist friendly places. Bureaucracy makes people stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Victoria! When I&#8217;ve taken visitors from other countries around Los Angeles, they have been really impressed by the murals in East LA and to my surprise, the graffiti in the LA River. Taco trucks are also another favorite. Strange then, that these two indigenous (to Los Angeles) attractions are the under fire from politicians, who you would think would want to encourage tourist friendly places. Bureaucracy makes people stupid.</p>
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