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		<title>By: alienation</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/04/the-problem-with-bike-kulture/comment-page-3/#comment-17133</link>
		<dc:creator>alienation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 03:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised how long this bike culture has persisted.  Back in the early days of Critical Mass, there was a lot of attitude, but it seemed less hostile... at least at &quot;mass&quot;.  The messenger folks were pretty elitist though.

Now, if one is a messgenger, and being elistist, that&#039;s kind of OK to me.  They&#039;re professionals.  It&#039;s like some cabbies or truckers who act they they own the road -- they kind of do, because they work on it.  Someone else, who is a recreational rider or commuter, being elitist or rude, is lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised how long this bike culture has persisted.  Back in the early days of Critical Mass, there was a lot of attitude, but it seemed less hostile&#8230; at least at &#8220;mass&#8221;.  The messenger folks were pretty elitist though.</p>
<p>Now, if one is a messgenger, and being elistist, that&#8217;s kind of OK to me.  They&#8217;re professionals.  It&#8217;s like some cabbies or truckers who act they they own the road &#8212; they kind of do, because they work on it.  Someone else, who is a recreational rider or commuter, being elitist or rude, is lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Arrowhead</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/04/the-problem-with-bike-kulture/comment-page-3/#comment-17106</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrowhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randall, I agree. I&#039;m a commuter rider who has been on a number of group rides but has grown disillusioned with the culture, which puts a premium on youth, hipness, fixies, blocking intersections, and so on. I see kids on bikes but not much reforma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall, I agree. I&#8217;m a commuter rider who has been on a number of group rides but has grown disillusioned with the culture, which puts a premium on youth, hipness, fixies, blocking intersections, and so on. I see kids on bikes but not much reforma.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall BusTard</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/04/the-problem-with-bike-kulture/comment-page-3/#comment-17093</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall BusTard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that those who too often resort to name-calling while offering no argument (and always with grammar and spelling that is nothing short of reprehensible) are are always anonymous? If they believed in what they stated, one might imagine they would state a name/link. Then again, I suppose that they are cowards in life and blogs are the only way they can imagine having a backbone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that those who too often resort to name-calling while offering no argument (and always with grammar and spelling that is nothing short of reprehensible) are are always anonymous? If they believed in what they stated, one might imagine they would state a name/link. Then again, I suppose that they are cowards in life and blogs are the only way they can imagine having a backbone.</p>
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		<title>By: dildo baggins</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/04/the-problem-with-bike-kulture/comment-page-3/#comment-17060</link>
		<dc:creator>dildo baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did you just try to compare bike kulture with being an ethnic minority and to having a vagina?&quot;


no but the idiot who wrote this article did and the point of the posting was to show the irony of it all. guess it went over your head. haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did you just try to compare bike kulture with being an ethnic minority and to having a vagina?&#8221;</p>
<p>no but the idiot who wrote this article did and the point of the posting was to show the irony of it all. guess it went over your head. haha</p>
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		<title>By: Browne</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/04/the-problem-with-bike-kulture/comment-page-3/#comment-17040</link>
		<dc:creator>Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m in a carFREE household and 90% of the &quot;cyclist&quot; commenters on this thread have cars (which I think bothers me more than anything else, if it was real movement with some real dedication I might be a bit more tolerant of certain people and their asshole vibe) in their household or own a car, that question of car harrassers should probably be presented on a Midnight Ridazz Thread, since they are more likely to be friends with people with cars (or have cars themselves) than people on this blog.

I think this blog has a higher percentage of people that are carFRee and are in carFREE households than on &quot;alt transit blogs&quot;. 

That&#039;s pretty ironic.

Yeah I&#039;m being a butt, but you know I&#039;m just saying...

Hey if we&#039;re going to all pull out the self-righteous card I got alot of people beat on being dedicated and keeping it real and wasting way too much time on a lifestyle that in general does nothing.

Ride your bike to work everyone and remember even driving your car a little bit is murdering the planet a little bit so you probably shouldn&#039;t be so self-righteous about your bicycle if your wife has a car.

Hey do what you can, but don&#039;t smack people in the face with your bullshit if you&#039;re the kind of person that thinks chicken and fish aren&#039;t meat and your s/o is driving a car doesn&#039;t really count, because it so does and chicken and fish are meat.



Browne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m in a carFREE household and 90% of the &#8220;cyclist&#8221; commenters on this thread have cars (which I think bothers me more than anything else, if it was real movement with some real dedication I might be a bit more tolerant of certain people and their asshole vibe) in their household or own a car, that question of car harrassers should probably be presented on a Midnight Ridazz Thread, since they are more likely to be friends with people with cars (or have cars themselves) than people on this blog.</p>
<p>I think this blog has a higher percentage of people that are carFRee and are in carFREE households than on &#8220;alt transit blogs&#8221;. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty ironic.</p>
<p>Yeah I&#8217;m being a butt, but you know I&#8217;m just saying&#8230;</p>
<p>Hey if we&#8217;re going to all pull out the self-righteous card I got alot of people beat on being dedicated and keeping it real and wasting way too much time on a lifestyle that in general does nothing.</p>
<p>Ride your bike to work everyone and remember even driving your car a little bit is murdering the planet a little bit so you probably shouldn&#8217;t be so self-righteous about your bicycle if your wife has a car.</p>
<p>Hey do what you can, but don&#8217;t smack people in the face with your bullshit if you&#8217;re the kind of person that thinks chicken and fish aren&#8217;t meat and your s/o is driving a car doesn&#8217;t really count, because it so does and chicken and fish are meat.</p>
<p>Browne</p>
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		<title>By: alienation</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/04/the-problem-with-bike-kulture/comment-page-3/#comment-17031</link>
		<dc:creator>alienation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know what bike harassers are thinking when they holler shit at bicyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know what bike harassers are thinking when they holler shit at bicyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: RobThomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobThomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White people in denial of the fact that the system is still white controlled are so stupid they deserve to be accused of racism at every turn.  </description>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://laeastside.com/2008/04/the-problem-with-bike-kulture/comment-page-3/#comment-17006</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are 2 reasons these spoiled pricks talk down racism so much, they are:
Personal guilt for coming from the side of privelege and not wanting to admit that others live harder and have genuine issues that you dont, I call it martyrdom penis envy. Lots of chicano pride men do the same thing to women, which was horrible to encounter when Hillary was running for president.  Somehow this jealousy for another&#039;s oppression morphs into animosity towards the oppressed and their plight, and a disregard for another&#039;s struggles. Instead of realizing &quot;hey, Im in a position of power so Ill use it to fix things&quot; these types tend to create some kind of oppression/cause they champion that directly affects them and diregard all others (see neocons right now, huero zapatistas who skip helping out eastlos and jump right in to guatamalan bag country, and the homeowner no tax community).

Secondly (and I know Ill catch flack) is the fact of whiny minorities/etc. who call anything racist at the drop of a hat.  As a chicano man who actually works for the betterment of my community and a more level playing field, there is nothing more devastating to the equality movment than nonwhites who claim everything is racist.  Of course white America latches on to these types and presents them as the epitome of ethnic empowerment in order to undermine the genuine causes (causes whose leaders are either killed imprisoned or harassed), but on the flip side this kind of overvictimization has become too prevalent in our barrios and communities and the idiotic bullhorns of this nonsense are what America sees the equality movement embodying.  When i work with kids I constantly have to check them about saying &quot;thats racist&quot; nonstop or being racist towards whites fo no reason.  Right now Rush Limbaugh is making conservatives look really bad, these overvictimization bullhorns are like hundreds of limbaughs for the equality movement, except they dont galvanize their constituency like the neocons.

These people give whites an excuse to roll their eyes at genuine inequality, although if that wasnt around they&#039;d find another reason to dismiss our plight.  Because of this people genuinely fighting for equality have a much harder battle to endure.

Im not saying this is only why folks act the way they do on both sides, in social terms nothing is black or white.  But both of these issues are major factors in why discussions like this play out the way they do, and why people act the way they do regarding racism.  The concept of racial inequality is f&#039;d up on both sides, which is obviously done with a purpose because education on race and american history and culture is so crappy and non critical thinking in our education system.

Browne is one of the few people I know who can throw out the inequality bomb constantly while not being a whiny minority (I hate to use that term, but you know what I mean), despite peoples&#039; diligence in trying to paint her that way.  She dont sugar coat it, and people try to steroetype her and others like her in this stereotypical Al Sharpton BS because they otherwise dont have a valid position in a debate with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 2 reasons these spoiled pricks talk down racism so much, they are:<br />
Personal guilt for coming from the side of privelege and not wanting to admit that others live harder and have genuine issues that you dont, I call it martyrdom penis envy. Lots of chicano pride men do the same thing to women, which was horrible to encounter when Hillary was running for president.  Somehow this jealousy for another&#8217;s oppression morphs into animosity towards the oppressed and their plight, and a disregard for another&#8217;s struggles. Instead of realizing &#8220;hey, Im in a position of power so Ill use it to fix things&#8221; these types tend to create some kind of oppression/cause they champion that directly affects them and diregard all others (see neocons right now, huero zapatistas who skip helping out eastlos and jump right in to guatamalan bag country, and the homeowner no tax community).</p>
<p>Secondly (and I know Ill catch flack) is the fact of whiny minorities/etc. who call anything racist at the drop of a hat.  As a chicano man who actually works for the betterment of my community and a more level playing field, there is nothing more devastating to the equality movment than nonwhites who claim everything is racist.  Of course white America latches on to these types and presents them as the epitome of ethnic empowerment in order to undermine the genuine causes (causes whose leaders are either killed imprisoned or harassed), but on the flip side this kind of overvictimization has become too prevalent in our barrios and communities and the idiotic bullhorns of this nonsense are what America sees the equality movement embodying.  When i work with kids I constantly have to check them about saying &#8220;thats racist&#8221; nonstop or being racist towards whites fo no reason.  Right now Rush Limbaugh is making conservatives look really bad, these overvictimization bullhorns are like hundreds of limbaughs for the equality movement, except they dont galvanize their constituency like the neocons.</p>
<p>These people give whites an excuse to roll their eyes at genuine inequality, although if that wasnt around they&#8217;d find another reason to dismiss our plight.  Because of this people genuinely fighting for equality have a much harder battle to endure.</p>
<p>Im not saying this is only why folks act the way they do on both sides, in social terms nothing is black or white.  But both of these issues are major factors in why discussions like this play out the way they do, and why people act the way they do regarding racism.  The concept of racial inequality is f&#8217;d up on both sides, which is obviously done with a purpose because education on race and american history and culture is so crappy and non critical thinking in our education system.</p>
<p>Browne is one of the few people I know who can throw out the inequality bomb constantly while not being a whiny minority (I hate to use that term, but you know what I mean), despite peoples&#8217; diligence in trying to paint her that way.  She dont sugar coat it, and people try to steroetype her and others like her in this stereotypical Al Sharpton BS because they otherwise dont have a valid position in a debate with her.</p>
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		<title>By: Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 06:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe there are people in the world understand these concepts:

1. Alt transit is not embraced by the US gov&#039;t and needs alot more support.
2. Homophobia is real.
3. Sexism exist.

But at the same time these seemingly sane invidiuals think racism is this imaginary thing. 

Hey this country killed lots of Native Americans, enslaved black people, then did the Jim Crow thing, interned Japanese Americans, put limits on the amount of Chinese people who could come here, and get freaked out currently when anyone speaks Spanish, so it&#039;s not like this is totally out of line or like there isn&#039;t some dividing line between the races in this country. Should we visit the topic of immigration, the bracero program, the zoot suit riots and this is just in California. California the place that pretends to be liberal though if you look at the schools and the atttitudes is just a backwoods hick town with better looking people and tans.

Why is it that these same vegan, bike riding, Obama voting fucks think that racism is just the figment of someone&#039;s imagination. What the fuck? What is the fucking deal with that kind of fucked up thought pattern and why do you annoying people keep coming back to this post. 

You need to stop being such chicken shits and deal with the very real issue of race in this country and don&#039;t use the fucking Obama is president excuse to not do so. Margaret Thatcher was prime minister of the UK for quite sometime and that didn&#039;t make sexism go away in the UK.

Browne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe there are people in the world understand these concepts:</p>
<p>1. Alt transit is not embraced by the US gov&#8217;t and needs alot more support.<br />
2. Homophobia is real.<br />
3. Sexism exist.</p>
<p>But at the same time these seemingly sane invidiuals think racism is this imaginary thing. </p>
<p>Hey this country killed lots of Native Americans, enslaved black people, then did the Jim Crow thing, interned Japanese Americans, put limits on the amount of Chinese people who could come here, and get freaked out currently when anyone speaks Spanish, so it&#8217;s not like this is totally out of line or like there isn&#8217;t some dividing line between the races in this country. Should we visit the topic of immigration, the bracero program, the zoot suit riots and this is just in California. California the place that pretends to be liberal though if you look at the schools and the atttitudes is just a backwoods hick town with better looking people and tans.</p>
<p>Why is it that these same vegan, bike riding, Obama voting fucks think that racism is just the figment of someone&#8217;s imagination. What the fuck? What is the fucking deal with that kind of fucked up thought pattern and why do you annoying people keep coming back to this post. </p>
<p>You need to stop being such chicken shits and deal with the very real issue of race in this country and don&#8217;t use the fucking Obama is president excuse to not do so. Margaret Thatcher was prime minister of the UK for quite sometime and that didn&#8217;t make sexism go away in the UK.</p>
<p>Browne</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Teel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Teel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 23:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg, some of you posters!! i can&#039;t believe there&#039;s really people in this world still carrying on with the message that the system be down  on the minorities.get over that nonsense!! that&#039;s the reason i don&#039;t watch oprah..to much of this &#039;help my peeps&#039; krapola.as if they&#039;re still being enslaved..good gawd!!!

while i thought many posts here were being real and others ridiculous,it&#039;s the &#039;woe is the minority&#039; posts that really suck frost!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg, some of you posters!! i can&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s really people in this world still carrying on with the message that the system be down  on the minorities.get over that nonsense!! that&#8217;s the reason i don&#8217;t watch oprah..to much of this &#8216;help my peeps&#8217; krapola.as if they&#8217;re still being enslaved..good gawd!!!</p>
<p>while i thought many posts here were being real and others ridiculous,it&#8217;s the &#8216;woe is the minority&#8217; posts that really suck frost!!</p>
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